Mag. up to 0.358 inches and dubbed it the poor mans magnum.. I double lunged a buck with a 225gr. Townsend Whelen praised it as a "good cartridge for deer and similar game in close timber."[3]. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. It arrived with. Scoped and out to 350 yards the 308 has it hands down. Before we get started, I have an administrative note:Some of the links below are affiliate links. is on the threatened list, this one is on a path to extinction. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. Its thought to be the rifle legendary stock detective Tom Horn used for his assassinations, and African professional hunter Wally Johnson even used a .30/30 with success on lions. If you were to vote for the .30-30 Winchester based on its higher Sectional Density valuesthe 170-grain .308 bullet has an S.D. History [ edit] Winchester introduced the .351 SL in the Winchester Model 1907 self-loading rifle as a replacement for the Winchester Model 1905 and the .35 SL. Well played Winchester; we all need to work together. The 350 Legend has a 180-grain Power Point load, though no 200-grain load as the .35 Remington does. Americas Other Levergun by Glen E. Fryxell, The Great Model 8 & 81 by Richard Jones,Bullet Frontal Area List, by Chuck Hawks, andtheLyman 50th Edition(p309-310) andHornady 10th Edition(p682-683) reloading manuals were used as references for this article. Contrary to what Gen Z shooters might think, traditionally styled lever-action rifles are not just relics or a way to get your cowboy fix. Marlin offers the Model 336 in both .30-30 and .35 Rem., but its unclear whether Ruger (which recently purchased Marlin) will continue the line. Many now consider the .35SL inadequate as a deer round, but it may still be suitable . Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. Remington continues to offer factory ammo, and its 200-grain factory load has a muzzle velocity of 2675 f.p.s., while the 250-grain loads muzzle velocity is 2400 f.p.s. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. Accuracy was always regarded as fair at best from Model 07 carbines. G. gunswizard. Winchester introduced the .351 SL in the Winchester Model 1907 self-loading rifle as a replacement for the Winchester Model 1905 and the .35 SL. Copyright 2009, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. The .358 Win. in the Big Bore Model 94. While the .35 Remington was extremely popular when first introduced in the early 1900s, the cartridge has fallen out of mainstream use in recent years. barrel. Even when using the standard factory loads, the .35 Remington is an outstanding round for use on medium sized game such as whitetail deer, feral hogs, and black bear at short ranges. Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. But trajectory is a foolish way to compare cartridges typically used at distances inside 150 yards. Winchester action. On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. The Creedmoor is the hottest cartridge on the planet. In 1953, the cartridge found its home in Marlins 336 lever-action, but it also was favored by many who hunted big game with single-shot pistols like the Contender. Mag. Thats a question I just dont understand. My first was a Winchester Model 94AE XTR in .30-30 Winchester, that timeless rimmed cartridge that has accounted for innumerable amounts of game. 30-30 vs 45-70 WHICH LEVER ACTION IS BEST FOR YOU TO HUNT WITH? Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. However, historians are conflicted on the subject and there are several different stories about what rifle Hamer actually used. More importantly, everything it makes has the performance to match. The .223 Rem. The .35 Rem. Visually, the .351 looks like a somewhat larger version of the familiar .30 Carbine round and, although the .351 is the more powerful cartridge, it is useful for similar purposes. the big companies are pushing 6.5 creedomr and others 6.8 which is like a 270 to make money. It may not be high speed or low drag, but its got more than enough juice to get the job done. But theres a reason the .30-30 has been around for the last 126 years. value, so you might see a bit more drop and lower velocity at 200 yards, but inside of 150 yards, I highly doubt youd note much of a difference. grain jacketed soft point (JSP), round nose bullets. The maximum average pressure should not exceed 39,000 psi. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. Bottles & 12-oz. Today the .35 caliber family, at least in North America, includes the .357 Magnum, .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. | Among the .35 caliber cartridges popular in the United States, the .358 offered a definite step up in performance; the .35 Remingtonthat popular woods rifleis much slower than the .358, and though the .35 Whelen has been among us since 1922, it would remain a wildcat until 1988. It was not designed for a lever-action rifle. The .35 Remingtons heavier and larger diameter bullets just seem to make critters fall down faster. in 1957 and .351 ammunition was offered for several years after that. The .351 WSL is based on a semi-rimmed, straight-sided case 1.380" long that uses small rifle primers. Book an outstandingAfrican safari hunt here. Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. all were more powerful-and may have been excellent hunting cartridges-but they are gone; rejected by the shooting public and banished to the junk heap of obsolescence. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. Sierra Game King from my .35 Whelen, he ran 30-40yds . From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. The .35 Remington load using the 150-grain Core-Lokt obtains just about the same muzzle velocity, with a bullet having a lower B.C. I believe it never will. A very small number of Winchesters legendary bolt-action pre-64 Model 70 rifles were manufactured in .35 Remington as well. [6] But for the handloader who has taken the time to replace the recoil spring and buffer in the Winchester Model 1907, the .351 SL can be loaded to its original velocities. He was born in 1921 and later served as a navy corpsman in Japan and Korea. The muzzle velocity was The .358 Norma Mag. Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. of energy at 200 yards, dropping 7.5 inches when using a 100-yard zero. An experimental Thompson submachine gun was also made to fire .351 SL in 1919 but was never produced commercially. Mag., and I think thats the only current production rifle in that cartridge. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in . Why the public abandoned it so quickly is a mystery to me. Whether you're shooting a break-action, pump-action, or semiautomatic, Sign up for the Field & Stream newsletter and get the latest intelligence straight to your inbox. In most guns, neither cartridge produces the velocity or accuracy for varmints, and both are underpowered for very large game. vs. .300 WSM.223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington. Remington marketed the cartridgeas a superior alternative to another extremely popular cartridge that excelled under those same circumstances: the venerable .30-30 Winchester. The .25 Rem., .30 Rem. The rim diameter is .407" The exception to that rule is Hornadys LeveRevolution ammo line, which uses a pliable tip on a spitzer bullet to afford a much flatter trajectory in both cartridges. Today, most major manufacturers offer multiple actions chambered in .30-30. Its a decent cartridge, but American hunters just wont flock to it. was simply a .308 Win. The .30/30 Win. Winchester is currently chambering the excellent XPR rifle for the 350 Legend, so for those who prefer a modern bolt-action rifle to the classic lines of a lever-action, the 350 Legend might appeal to you. The benefits of .350 Legend are that it is indeed inexpensive and produces lower recoil. Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. Just $1 per month . By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. The 243 Winchester has a longer overall length and uses a longer case length than the 223 Remington. with bullets between 200 grains and 220 grains. Winchester offered .351 WSL factory loads loaded with 180 Lead bullets can be case from #2 alloy using The new 350 Legend has the benefit of modern engineering, and the fact that it wasnt designed specifically for a tubular magazine. Smith & Wesson's new M&P FPC is a compact, folding pistol-caliber carbine chambered in 9 mm Luger and designed to accept the company's M&P handgun magazines. Even when using loads on the upper end of the performance envelope for the cartridge, the .35 Remington still has a relatively slow velocity and low ballistic coefficient. Access the newest seasons of MeatEater, save content, and join in discussions with the Crew and others in the MeatEater community. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. Realistically, the maximum effective range for the .35 Remington for most shooters is 200 yards. Enter the 350 Legend. Outside that area, I feel that the sheer number of rifles chambered for the .35 Remington will assure a steady supply of good ammunition, fulfilling the role the .35 was designed for. I would also expect it to handle anything in North America from deer to the big bears. In the eastern United States where black bear and deer are typically hunted in dense timber over bait and from stands, or where theyre rooted out of the dark forest or thickets by savvy woodsmen, the .35 Remington seems to be preferred. check. It wasn't and isnt a long-range cartridge, but at distances inside of 125 to 150 yards, the .35 Remington surely gets the job done. Developed in the days before ballistic coefficient was a talking point at gun counters, these cartridges tend to use wide, stubby bullets that cant maintain velocity at extended ranges. Mag..243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington.25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum.338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum.30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington.257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage.270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington.35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser.416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum.308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield.22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie.300 Win. Its said that the French used it in World War I, but it probably didnt see much action. Cartridge overall length is 1.90". I have one, and I like it a lot. from my E.R. The ammunition situation is a little better than the rifles. "Winchester Model 07 Self-Loading .351 Caliber: Its Past and Its Future with Modern Brass, Bullets and Powders" (2011) Speckin, Leonard pp 68-70, "Winchester Model 07 Self-Loading .351 Caliber: Its Past and Its Future with Modern Brass, Bullets and Powders" (2011) Speckin, Leonard pp 88-96, Last edited on 25 February 2023, at 22:24, ".351 Winchester Self-Loading (.351 WSL, .351 SL)", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.351_Winchester_Self-Loading&oldid=1141606901, This page was last edited on 25 February 2023, at 22:24. It will handle black bears and feral hogsas will the .35 Remingtonbut sourcing ammunition is far easier if you own a good old thutty-thutty. its all about money. Technically, the .35 Rem. S .Click for more info. It was a gift from my father for my 15th birthday, andat least to the young man who received itmarked a passage into manhood. The '06 has been the big-game king forever. Its cheap, easy to shoot, and most importantly, effective on whitetail in close quarters. Instead, it was first chambered in Remingtons Model 8 auto-loading rifle. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. Winchester saw this and developed a new round offering a low recoil, low cost, straight-walled case that fit into the laws and guns of the area dominated by .450 BM. Mag. .35 Remington This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. Due in part to this rounds greater popularity and in part to the R&D surrounding .30-caliber pills, the .30-30 can be loaded with far more advanced projectiles. Be sure to hit that Subscribe button in your podcast player! Admittedly though, I was cheering for the .35 Rem. The heavy, slow moving bullets deliver bone crushing power and do not produce large amounts of ruined, blood shot meat that high velocity cartridges do. Curious how the new .360 Buckhammer will be received by the market. Id be hunting deer with my father the following season, and that alone was a dream come true. If youre hoping to save your wallet rather than your shoulder, the .30-30 is the way to go. This is a very stout load for the .35 Remington. The 35 Remington also uses a bullet about 18% heavier and with over 35% more frontal surface area (.1007 vs .0745 square inches). Remington, Winchester, Federal, Hornady, and Buffalo Bore, among others, currently offer a handful of different .35 Remington ammo options. On Wednesday, the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) sent a notice of intent to sue to the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) for alleged violations of the Endangered Species Act (ESA), due to the hunting of gray wolves in Wyomings Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest. Make sure you follow The Big Game Hunting Blog onFacebook,Instagram,Twitter, andYouTube. grains of IMR 4227 for a MV of 1751 fps. In the real world, hunters can find the .30-30 loaded with projectiles between 125 grains and 170 grains, and the .35 Rem. However, the biggest shortcoming in the cartridge is limited effective range. It has never failed me. He gave me 200 trade in on the 35 whelen barrel and the 358 was 295 plus shipping. The .35 Remington initially found favor among hunters seeking a good brush bullet and many deer, bear, elk, and even moose have fallen to the .35 Remington over the years. The .35 Remington uses the 180- and 200-grain .358caliber bullets, and while light-for-caliber, they are effective at the ranges a .35 Remington is used, which is usually inside of 150 yards. The 600 Magnum suffered from a barrel that was too short at 18 inches. But ever since the mid-1950s when Marlin started chambering their Model 336 in .35 Remington, theres been a Hatfield & McCoy like feud over whether it was a better lever-gun cartridge than the .30/30 Winchester. Particularlywhen used in a high quality rifle, the .35 Remington is capable of pretty darn good accuracy and Ive shot many nice groups with an off the shelfRemington Model 81. A box of hunting ammunition will sell for $19 to $22. Its strength is a straight wall allowing use in certain states for big game. Keep in mind that most hunting ammunition currently sells for an average of $28 to $32 per box. Henry Repeating Arms recently presented a $25,000 check a nonprofit organization that provides support and programs for the families and co-workers of firefighters killed in the line of duty. Using the same case head diameter of the .223 Remington at a length of 1.71-inch, the 350 Legend uses a .357-inch diameter bullet, for a combination that is very easy on the shoulder while being effective downrange. Karl Brauneis, Forester, Lander, Wyoming, Also shooting a 35 Remington from a model 600 Remington bolt action rifle and very seldom ever hear WINCHESTER model 1905 in 35 Cal. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. The .35 Remington was extremely effective in that role. The .35SL proved popular at first with the general public as a short-range deer and black bear hunting cartridge, but was soon superseded by the introduction of the more powerful .351SL in the Winchester '07. Because of its ability to retain velocity, the 160-grain LEVERevolution .30/30 load is also the hardest hitting for that cartridge; at 100 yards it is carrying 1643 foot-pounds of energy. Buffalo Bore also produces 220gr loads that they claim reach a velocity of 2,200 feet per second (2,364 foot pounds). Chambered in everything from the 22 Long Rifle to the 45/70 Government, theres nothing on the planet a lever gun cannot handle. Remington introduced the .35 about 10 years later in 1906 alongside their Model 8 semi-automatic rifle. Like most of our Caliber Battles, the choice here is between a lighter bullet going faster (the .30-30) and a heavier bullet going slower (the .35 Rem.). The trouble is, they didnt sell. stated to be 1850 fps and the muzzle energy 1370 ft. lbs. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. FMJ bullet at 1,870 f.p.s. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. By At 400 yds., the .358 Norma impacts 3.1 inches lower than the .300 Win. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. The rim diameter is .407" and the head diameter is .380". the higher pressure and back thrust of more powerful cartridges, so the .351 Self-Loading cartridge was designed for the existing in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. The result was the .350 Legend. Read on for his take on this Thai-inspired fusion dish. G. Joined: Feb 2010. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. It was not designed for a lever-action rifle. cases and .357-cal. [1] .35 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge diagram. With a 171 grain cast lead bullet and IMR 4227 powder, the and the .32 Win. Depending on the load, 150 yards may be a better estimate. The .350 Rem. At 100 yards it will hit with 1861 foot-pounds of energy. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. The 223 Remington has an overall length of 2.26 and uses a 1.76 long case. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. Its just about perfect for the deer woods, and you can easily teach a youngster the art of shooting an iron-sighted lever rifle without punishing recoil. Note: A longer version of this article can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. As much as its a .30/30 vs. .35 thing, it might be just as much an East vs. West, thing. Joined: Feb 2010. If were being honest with ourselves, the majority of American hunters, especially in the south and northeast, will take only a handful of shots at big game at ranges past 100 yards in their lifetime. I give the edge to the apparently timeless .30-30 Winchester for the availability alone; there are dozens of factory loads to choose from, and being .30-caliber is never a bad thing. cast bullets to .352". Mag. Boxes of 20 can be found in the $25 range while the .35 Rem. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? Younger hunters seem fixated on shooting further. $735 + $40 SHIPPING to your FFL DEALER.This gun is chambered in the WINCHESTER 35 CAL. The .351 WSL did grab a bit of fame, first as a popular rifle for prison guards and then as one of the rifles used to punch a lot of holes in Bonnie and Clydes automobile (although that accolade is in question). Still, much like the old man who can rattle your teeth with a punch, appearances can be deceiving. Additionally, the .35 Remington will perform adequately on larger game such as elk, grizzly bear, brown bear and moose. Most ammunition makers have a 200-grain load, and Remington also has a 150-grain load with a muzzle velocity of 2300 f.p.s. load of 17.0 grains of IMR 4227 for a MV of 1400 fps. I've been told that Winchester will soon produce full-metal-jacket (FMJ) ammunition for the .350 Legend, and that the FMJ load will cost even less per box. Which cartridge wins? Gun guys recognize the potential in the .358. For this reason, the .35 Remington is most popular in the northeast and southeast regions of the United States where shooting ranges are short. Semi-automatic and striker-fired, the P320-XTEN is extremely accurate, easy to shoot even with powerful 10mm loads and holds 15-plus-one rounds. would follow that tradition. For a more detailed discussion on .35 Remington hunting ammunition, read this article: Best .35 Remington Ammo For Hunting Deer, Bear & Other Big Game. Richard Mann was born and raised in West Virginia and has hunted from the Montana mountains to the green hills of Africa. Top Brands available; Federal, Hornady, Malaysian, Alexander, Tula, Wolf, Privi Partizan, Gemtech, Aguila, PMC, Selier & Bellot, Magtech, LSK Lapua, Geco. Richard Mann figure of .223eId have to agree with you as well. This ammunition is often loaded to lower velocities in consideration of older firearms which have not been properly maintained, and large differences are seen over the chronograph relative to vintage .351 SL ammunition. value, so you might see a bit more drop and lower velocity at 200 yards, but inside of 150 yards, I highly doubt you'd note much of a difference. Which Shoots More Flatly? of muzzle energy with traditional loads, and the hot-rod LeveRevolution will certainly offer an improvement in ballistic figures, but the advancements are parallel between the two cartridges. Mag. Following the sale of Remington Outdoor Company's assets in September 2020, Vista Outdoor purchased Remington Ammunition. However, even after 123 years on the market, the .30-30 Winchester remains the king of medium caliber lever guns; it has been in the top ten selling cartridges for Federal Premium to this day, and with millions of rifles out there chambered for the cartridge, that will probably be a fact decades from now. For a while Savage chambered it in the Model 99, and I am still looking for one I can afford. Other Remington posters publicized the ability of the cartridgeto penetrate a 5/16 of steel plate, a feat the .30-30 Winchester could not match. Right now, I think that the Browning BLR lever-action rifle is the only production gun left on the market in .358 Win. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. Perhaps thats why it has survived. However, the most popular rifle chambered in .35 Remington is the Marlin Model 336 lever-action rifle. There seem to be fewer choices each year, and thats a shame. One of the oldest and most popular cartridges of all time, the .30-30 Winchester, was released in 1895 and has been bringing down all manner of game ever since. In this article, Im going to conduct a detailed analysis of the .35 Remington in an effort to cut through some of the myths and misunderstandings out there regarding the capabilities of the cartridge so you can make an informed decision regarding whether or not you should hunt with one. I can If youd like to read a more detailed discussion on a couple of other .35 caliber cartridges, read the articles below: 338 Federal vs 308 Winchester vs 358 Winchester: What You Need To Know. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. Whitetail hunting strategies for the next generation. Soon after, the classic 150- and 170-grain loads took root, and due to the tubular magazines of so many popular rifles, round nose bullets were employed. offered the performance level of the .358 Win. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. That version is in some dispute, with evidence that Whelen himself developed the cartridge or at least worked with Howe on its development. A loyal segment of hunters and shooters still use the cartridge, but most other hunters pass by the .35 Remington in favor of modern cartridges with more impressive ballistics on paper. At 300 yards, it has 19 percent more energy than the .300 Win. 1907 Autoloading Rifle. For more than two centuries, Westley Richards has produced some of the worlds finest firearms, each wearing a timeless and classic look with bespoke flourishes. The ammunition hung on a while longer, but eventually Big Green abandoned her babies and stopped making both cartridges. Mag. from a 20" clearly more powerful than the .30-30. Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. The maximum load for vs. .300 Win. The ability to smack the snot out of big game animals like black bear and wily old whitetail bucks is what really matters. was introduced in 1955. .30-30 Win. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. In a modern bolt-action rifle, hand loaders can achieve velocities of 2,400 fps with a 200-grain bullet, making the .35 Rem. Federal loads the 225-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2600 f.p.s. It used to be that you couldnt find an eastern deer camp without a .35 Remington in it. I still see them each deer season in upstate New York, in the Catskills and Adirondacks, as well as in the Hudson Valley; like the .30-30 Winchester, the .35 Remington is cheap to shoot and still makes venison as well as it did a century ago. Henry Repeating Arms currently manufactures a model in .35 Remington as well. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. Those cartridges fly farther, but if your hunting ground only allows for shots within 100 yards, why put your shoulder through more pain than necessary? Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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